General Carowinds discussion
#30364
In the last picture of Diamondback's construction, you'll see one footer being constructed with wood around it. That's probably what they'll do at Carowinds especially if they are square footers. If not, then go with Coaster Punk's assessment. :)
#30365
carowindsman6654 wrote:In the last picture of Diamondback's construction, you'll see one footer being constructed with wood around it. That's probably what they'll do at Carowinds especially if they are square footers. If not, then go with Coaster Punk's assessment. :)


haha was that a shot at me? LOL
By KenB
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JamminJ wrote:Veering a bit off topic I got a chance to do new Dora.

The soundtrack is completely different than before, and the "We did it" song is no more. :cry:


Dave is going to be very upset about this. :lol:
#30368
The long cylindrical re-bar bundles and augered holes at Carowinds just looked a little atypical to me. I was hoping someone with local civil engineering knowledge might weigh in with an opinion. The rebar for Diamondback was a more typical shallow, broad-base formation suited for compressive loads. Shallow and wide is good for vertical loading. In other words- up and down movements of the load. Think bunny hops or camelbacks.

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Longer, deeper and narrow rebar like we are seeing is better for horizontal loading. They are generally made to flex in the horizontal direction. Think hammerheads, helices, and overbanked turns.

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Of course all of this is dependent on local soil conditions, the part of the track that is being constructed and local hydrodynamics. Does anyone here know what the typical building standard is for the area?
#30372
Newton's Engineer wrote:The long cylindrical re-bar bundles and augered holes at Carowinds just looked a little atypical to me. I was hoping someone with local civil engineering knowledge might weigh in with an opinion. The rebar for Diamondback was a more typical shallow, broad-base formation suited for compressive loads. Shallow and wide is good for vertical loading. In other words- up and down movements of the load. Think bunny hops or camelbacks.

Longer, deeper and narrow rebar like we are seeing is better for horizontal loading. They are generally made to flex in the horizontal direction. Think hammerheads, helices, and overbanked turns.

Of course all of this is dependent on local soil conditions, the part of the track that is being constructed and local hydrodynamics. Does anyone here know what the typical building standard is for the area?

so what are you thinking--does this indicate a coaster other than B&M hyper to you? or do you think these different building elements have more to do with the actual, um, dirt?

and regarding the jumbo footer- this is my first foray into coaster construction observation, but the first thing I thought when I saw the pic of the footer was "holy c$@#! that sure is a big footer!" so...do you all agree that this is a larger-than-expected footer? and if so, is that significant? (I did read the posts about this earlier, just wondering about other folks' thoughts as well)

anyhow, thanks to everyone for the photos. at last, this is getting really interesting.
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By Top Gun68
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I went to the park today(it poured, rode Drop Tower atleats 20 times, and Nighthawk was a walk on!)I spoke with someone today who gave me major information on the upcoming roller coaster. It is in fact a B&M Hyper, it is going to be red, it is going to be as tall as the Sky Tower, it will have a 90 degree drop, and it will go 90 mph. Please don't ask me who or where I got this information from, just trust me when I say it's valid.
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By Chris
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Top Gun68 wrote:I went to the park today(it poured, rode Drop Tower atleats 20 times, and Nighthawk was a walk on!)I spoke with someone today who gave me major information on the upcoming roller coaster. It is in fact a B&M Hyper, it is going to be red, it is going to be as tall as the Sky Tower, it will have a 90 degree drop, and it will go 90 mph. Please don't ask me who or where I got this information from, just trust me when I say it's valid.

IP check, please. I bet this is the same guy who took a picture of a light post footer.
#30380
Just delete his post and pretend like the troll isn't here. It's insane to imagine that some random employee is handing out information and even more insane to imagine that our coaster is going to be a vertical-drop-giga from B&M.
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By Chris
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jasonwilson88 wrote:Just delete his post and pretend like the troll isn't here. It's insane to imagine that some random employee is handing out information and even more insane to imagine that our coaster is going to be a vertical-drop-giga from B&M.

I'm going to bump his post after the announcement and make sure to point out he is wrong.


I'm going Thursday. I'll post my first update.
#30383
lily the walrus wrote:so what are you thinking--does this indicate a coaster other than B&M hyper to you?


As Grandma Edith would say, "Newwwwwwwwwwww!"

I was kinda talking "Tom talk" if you know what I mean. At this early (let me emphasize early) point in the game I would say the indications are that this coaster will have quite a bit of horizontal momentum change. Wishful thinking maybe, but if they keep setting deep, vertical footings that would indicate more tighter, over-banked turns and helices since those footings experience the most sheer forces and should be dug deeper or angled. Hopefully this is all a given. Shallow wide footers are all that are needed for the bunnies.

I would love to see a 270∘on the way out to the parking lot. Is that possible?
#30384
First off, let me say while I don't believe the whole 320ft. (Sky Tower), 90 degree deal there is no reason for people to jump on this guy. As of right now, NO ONE that is making guesses about this ride has anymore information than that dude. So while it looks to be a standard B&M hyper, who is anyone else to say that it is not? And if you know for sure what it is, why are you posting at all considering you would be violating any NDA that the park or construction company would have? Next, why wouldn't B&M put a 90 degree drop on a hyper? As much as you are shooting down this guy for what he said (Mr. lazor in particular for this point), now you are talking as if you KNOW what B&M is going to do on all their rides. Do you work for them? If you do, I apologize, but if you don't, then your claim that they would 'leave that for the divers' has about as much credibility as this being a 90 degree drop hyper coaster. It's exactly like Jonathan said: "Funny how EVERYBODY has valid information, yet none of it is ever the same." Anyone that does know something ain't saying a F***ing word about the bit they do know, and everything else we hear is as valid as the next rumor/"fact".For instance, I have been indulged on certain facts about this ride, but I would never, EVER give any of that info away for a multitude of reasons. Not to mention I kinda like the idea of having a 300+ft. hyper with a 90 degree drop - I will go one step further and say it isn't a hyper - it's the first 500ft. tall coaster period. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Getting back to the more pressing topic at hand (the 4 footers connected), I would say that it is nothing to second guess compared to other hypers (namely Diamondback). Let me preface this with the fact that I am not a structural engineer, but I have done foundation work in a couple areas of the country that MAY be reminiscent of this. First off, I do know for fact (because of the work I have done) that there is more than one way to pour a footer, especially when it comes to the earth you are pouring into/onto. From what I can tell, everyone is basing this off of the Diamondback construction photo of the same 4 footers. I do know in the Midwest (and I don't know if Cincy is the same way) that they have a lot of topsoil. That's why places like Indiana and Illinois have to have either have a basement or pylons driven as deep as a basement into the ground for support. Here, we don't have to do that because the clay soil that is more than abundant around Charlotte is a thick layer of fairly dense soil. What I am getting at here is that if KI needed to drill 4 footers on topsoil they would have had to dig at least 10 to 20ft. deep. Why do that for more area than just the 4 footers? It would have been pointless to add extra concrete in between. With our clay soil, you don't have to dig but maybe 5 to 10ft. deep, if that. But to strengthen all of the footers since you don't have the depth of 10 or 20ft. (and keep them from moving independently across the top of the clay) you pour a concrete slab that connects all four. Again, this is just educated guessing based on what I do know about foundation work, but this is the most logical explanation for the slab as apposed to the 4 independent pylons.
#30385
Ok here's my valid point with less words. lets take a look at our beloved former Led z the ride...

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As we can see it also used a slab instead of individuals. So what does this mean....


Absolutely nothing lol. Just shows that there is no "set" way of construction a coaster. Just like every house built by the same company isnt the same, coasters fall in that same category.

Ok, carry on with the epically long "valid" post folks.... 8)
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