General Carowinds discussion
#35641
Every hill that goes up without a trim makes me happier and happier. It's already getting hard to wait on this ride and we are nowhere near opening day yet.

Not much seems to be going on post-lunch today on the cam.
#35644
This is getting better and better. I too was thinking the 2nd hill was going to be a bit "meh", but it's looking pretty interesting in the flesh. It's kinda like a funky non-inverted version of the "Kumba thing" as you crest the hill, turn, and start down while twisting, and the drop is looking pretty good too.
#35647
the next hill is going up... we will know if it is getting trimmed today.. I have heard two rumors: 1. It will have one trim on this hill. 2. There will be 2 trim brakes on I232... you know there will be trims, just like on every other B&M hyper.. hopefully they won't bite too hard and lessen the ride. Why does B&M do this??? Is consistency more important than the ride experience to these guys?? I understand the purpose, but not the reasoning. :?

Raging Bull... Silver Star. I just don't get it... its like these guys are OCD over safety.. when the ride would seem perfectly safe... and far more thrilling... without the overkill brakes.
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#35650
Foghorn-Leghorn wrote:the next hill is going up... we will know if it is getting trimmed today.. I have heard two rumors: 1. It will have one trim on this hill. 2. There will be 2 trim brakes on I232... you know there will be trims, just like on every other B&M hyper.. hopefully they won't bite too hard and lessen the ride. Why does B&M do this??? Is consistency more important than the ride experience to these guys?? I understand the purpose, but not the reasoning. :?

Raging Bull... Silver Star. I just don't get it... its like these guys are OCD over safety.. when the ride would seem perfectly safe... and far more thrilling... without the overkill brakes.

So there aren't any B&M hypers without trims? I thought Diamondback didn't have any.
#35652
Foghorn-Leghorn wrote:Why does B&M do this??? Is consistency more important than the ride experience to these guys?? I understand the purpose, but not the reasoning. :?

Raging Bull... Silver Star. I just don't get it... its like these guys are OCD over safety.. when the ride would seem perfectly safe... and far more thrilling... without the overkill brakes.


You got to remember, with B&M is is all about the ride experience, and that means controlling every aspect of the ride. These things are not built solely for the enthusiast, or the teen boy for that matter. I'm certain a lot of research has gone into what is the best ride the general public desires. Me, I don't mind a good thrill, but most people have issues with extreme thrills. I know a whole lot of people who have only ridden Top Gun once and vowed never to step foot on it again. Then there are others who refuse to ride it at all. Me, I've never been on Drop Zone at KD, -I'm too scared. If the truth be told, most parks are not particularly interested in teens and enthusiast. Teens have little money and enthusiast have season passes. It is the church groups, and families who buy the full price tickets and buy those high priced meals at the park. You don't want to have a coaster in your park that they are afraid of. A park such as Cedar Point put those things in only for the publicity. Busch will brake the heck out of them based on the clientele visiting the park.
#35653
Capler wrote:
Foghorn-Leghorn wrote:Why does B&M do this??? Is consistency more important than the ride experience to these guys?? I understand the purpose, but not the reasoning. :?

Raging Bull... Silver Star. I just don't get it... its like these guys are OCD over safety.. when the ride would seem perfectly safe... and far more thrilling... without the overkill brakes.


You got to remember, with B&M is is all about the ride experience, and that means controlling every aspect of the ride. These things are not built solely for the enthusiast, or the teen boy for that matter. I'm certain a lot of research has gone into what is the best ride the general public desires. Me, I don't mind a good thrill, but most people have issues with extreme thrills. I know a whole lot of people who have only ridden Top Gun once and vowed never to step foot on it again. Then there are others who refuse to ride it at all. Me, I've never been on Drop Zone at KD, -I'm too scared. If the truth be told, most parks are not particularly interested in teens and enthusiast. Teens have little money and enthusiast have season passes. It is the church groups, and families who buy the full price tickets and buy those high priced meals at the park. You don't want to have a coaster in your park that they are afraid of. A park such as Cedar Point put those things in only for the publicity. Busch will brake the heck out of them based on the clientele visiting the park.


Drop Tower at KD is the best drop ride ever compared to others I have ridden. In reference to Capler: As for Diamondback, I rode it this past summer, it has 1 trim break before the turn into the MCBR I think. Nitro has about 4 trim brakes on it. The newer B&M hypers have 1 to hardly any trim brakes, and the newer stadium seating trains are much more better imo than the standard 4 across trains. I think it all has to do with B&M's commitment to safety and reliability of their rides for the reason to slow down the train through the course of the ride. If you look at Afterburn it slows down as it enters the bunny hop before completing its course through the flat spin and into the turn before the brakes so it has more reliability of not overpowering itself to cause a ride malfunction. I hope that answers your question, good question to ask though.
#35654
I know a whole lot of people who have only ridden Top Gun once and vowed never to step foot on it again. Then there are others who refuse to ride it at all. Me, I've never been on Drop Zone at KD, -I'm too scared. If the truth be told, most parks are not particularly interested in teens and enthusiast. Teens have little money and enthusiast have season passes. It is the church groups, and families who buy the full price tickets and buy those high priced meals at the park. You don't want to have a coaster in your park that they are afraid of. A park such as Cedar Point put those things in only for the publicity. Busch will brake the heck out of them based on the clientele visiting the park.


If this were true, the park wouldn't be bothering to build a hyper coaster in the first place. Putting trims on their rides has nothing to do with B&M catering to people who are scared of rides (what do they say? "THERE'S NO WAY I'M GOING ON THAT! Oh wait it has a trim brake? Cool I'm in"). I don't really understand the Busch comment. What rides are they braking the heck out of exactly?

Your very first sentence was the accurate one; they want to control every aspect of the ride. They know the exact speed that they want the train to be traveling at for every piece of track. If the train is traveling faster than they expect it to entering the area with the trim, it cuts it down to what it's supposed to be. Hopefully this ride won't have any trims since as mentioned the renderings do not show any, but if it does, I don't think it's that huge of a deal.
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