[carowindsman6654]

I don't think i've ever seen anybody say they refuse to ride Afterburn or hate it. Everybody I know loves that ride and thinks it's the best ride in the park including me. It's so smooth and fast.

[Foghorn-Leghorn]

Why does B&M do this??? Is consistency more important than the ride experience to these guys?? I understand the purpose, but not the reasoning.

Raging Bull... Silver Star. I just don't get it... its like these guys are OCD over safety.. when the ride would seem perfectly safe... and far more thrilling... without the overkill brakes.

You got to remember, with B&M is is all about the ride experience, and that means controlling every aspect of the ride. These things are not built solely for the enthusiast, or the teen boy for that matter. I'm certain a lot of research has gone into what is the best ride the general public desires. Me, I don't mind a good thrill, but most people have issues with extreme thrills. I know a whole lot of people who have only ridden Top Gun once and vowed never to step foot on it again. Then there are others who refuse to ride it at all. Me, I've never been on Drop Zone at KD, -I'm too scared. If the truth be told, most parks are not particularly interested in teens and enthusiast. Teens have little money and enthusiast have season passes. It is the church groups, and families who buy the full price tickets and buy those high priced meals at the park. You don't want to have a coaster in your park that they are afraid of. A park such as Cedar Point put those things in only for the publicity. Busch will brake the heck out of them based on the clientele visiting the park.

I agree I am sure a great deal of research goes into every major investment. I was mainly speaking about the older B&M hypers- if they are so focused on ride experience, why ruin Raging Bull with brakes? Instead of building an intense layout and then holding it back, why not just build a less intense layout that isn't moderated with brakes? It is nice that B&M has left their ways of trimming the fun out of some coasters, such as the aforementioned. Yes I agree that strides have been made. Of course these coasters aren't made for the 500 people that ride them 500 times (the enthusiasts) We are the minority...obviously. I am surprised Ms Swords gives us any attention at all.

Was "teen boy" meant to belittle? I am not a teen nor a boy.

[Foghorn-Leghorn]

Your very first sentence was the accurate one; they want to control every aspect of the ride. They know the exact speed that they want the train to be traveling at for every piece of track. If the train is traveling faster than they expect it to entering the area with the trim, it cuts it down to what it's supposed to be. Hopefully this ride won't have any trims since as mentioned the renderings do not show any, but if it does, I don't think it's that huge of a deal.

Unfortunately there isn't really any new way to bring consistency to train loads.. If the trains always carried the same weight, then there would be no need for trims.

[Jay]

I have been on most of the B&M hypers (Apollo, Nitro, Bull, SoGo, Behemoth, DB) I think all have a trim brake of some sort on them, the only one that it really runied for me was Raging Bull, but that just may have been due to the layout itself and not the trim. I also heard Silver Star at Europa Park was trimmed pretty badly, but I will let Jonathan comment on that.

I really think this 'trim fear' is getting out of hand. This ride probably will have a trim somewhere, but it won't ruin the ride. Cedar Fair and B&M teamed up for really great rides in Behemoth and Diamondback, (both with trims) I'm sure this will be no different.

[Foghorn-Leghorn]

Diamondback has one if I recall correctly towards the end of the ride. The POV for the ride shows it. Notice Carowinds Intimidator POV shows no trims. Hmmm....

I read on another forum that the maker of the POV animation did not put them in and that there would be two on Intimidator.

[jasonwilson88]

^ That would be odd, considering Badnitrus usually includes the trims in his videos. Why would he arbitrarily leave ours out? Maybe he was rushed...

No trims would be awesome, but I agree that it is unlikely. I foresee one going into the hill they are building right now and one before the two bunny hills heading back to the midcourse, but I hope I'm proven wrong.

[Capler]

Teen boy refers to teenage males who prefer speed, power and extreme forces. In reference to Busch, I'm thinking in particular Montu and Alp. Great coasters at one point. I believe B&M tries to control the forces exerted on the rider. The issue is not with big drops (dive machines), but with the helix and turns. Don't want to have people blacking out. Even with After Burner, they brake before the flat spin. BTW, that spin has gotten a little violent on the red train over the years. I rode it 10 times in a row two weeks ago and had to brace my head each time we entered it to minimize that one quick head bang, -ouch. I always thought B&M put that little bunny hop in to slow things down a bit without using heavy brakes.

[jasonwilson88]

There is no braking anywhere along the Afterburn/Top Gun course... at all*. ^ What ride are you talking about?

Back to Intimidator - the hill is rising quickly on the cam today!

*excluding the final brake run.

[Foghorn-Leghorn]

Teen boy refers to teenage males who prefer speed, power and extreme forces. In reference to Busch, I'm thinking in particular Montu and Alp. Great coasters at one point. I believe B&M tries to control the forces exerted on the rider. The issue is not with big drops (dive machines), but with the helix and turns. Don't want to have people blacking out. Even with After Burner, they brake before the flat spin. BTW, that spin has gotten a little violent on the red train over the years. I rode it 10 times in a row two weeks ago and had to brace my head each time we entered it to minimize that one quick head bang, -ouch. I always thought B&M put that little bunny hop in to slow things down a bit without using heavy brakes.

the air time from that bunny hill over the station is really nice... it seems air time on inverts is a rarity..

[jasonwilson88]

It's a rarity because invert trains can't crest a hill without dangerously small leg clearances unless the hill is very drawn out or small. Personally I would love to see more camelbacks thrown into inverts and loopers, but B&M doesn't seem to like that idea.

[Capler]

There is no braking anywhere along the Afterburn/Top Gun course... at all*. ^ What ride are you talking about?

Back to Intimidator - the hill is rising quickly on the cam today!

*excluding the final brake run.

I was thinking of that bunny hop as being a brake to slow the coaster down before the spin.

[Diamondback FOF]

Diamondback has one if I recall correctly towards the end of the ride. The POV for the ride shows it. Notice Carowinds Intimidator POV shows no trims. Hmmm....

Diamondback has a trim on the fifth hill (the one before the helix into the MCBR). That trim isn't too bad. It definitly cuts down on the speed, but the front gets a huge burst of airtime, and the back still gets some. The worst part it the MCBR as it cuts down on the speed a lot. But, the train quickly picks up speed and you go fast over the bunny hops. You can figure out why the MCBR is turned on.

Edit: Almost tot he crust of the third hill.

[jsz1002]

Not a lot of up to date photos on the official website. Maybe they can borrow some from here! lol

[phareous]

I've been a bit disappointed in their official channels - blog, facebook, etc. But at least they have been diligent about keeping the web cam positioned

[Capler]

Am I imagining things or did they zoom out that second cam a bit today? I could have sworn I was looking at it earlier and thinking that the third hill would be off the screen if nothing was done. The grass also seems to be farther away now too.