[Edwardo]

This thread now makes me want to tear my eyes out. I wish that none of this information had been leaked, I swear I do. Because I can already tell some of you are going to be annoying for the next 3 years.

I've already said this, but I'll say it again:
Back in about July, on a Kings Island forum, when the speculation was still going, the possibility of a wing coaster was thrown out there many times, and in an interview with mr Ouimet, he clearly stated that they had no other wing coasters planned for any of the parks. This is the main reason why I believe it will not be a wing coaster, the other being the facts that we know and that they can't yet handle that type of force yet.

You can't base what Carowinds will or won't get on something Mr. Oimet said back in July. At that point, they were working on upcoming projects and additions. He's not going to say what they're considering. At that point, I'm sure they didn't have any plans set in stone for a 300' whatever this is.

As for forces, B&M can build a 300' whatever. A 300' drop on a wing coaster can be designed with whatever forces they wish. That statement makes no sense.

As far as name and logo, they may not even have come up with a name for it yet. We'll know sometime before the coaster is built, but not this early out. Right now it's looking like the coaster is coming in 2016. If it comes in 2015, we won't see any of that till this time next year.

You can have a tall drop but what comes after that drop has limits. As much as some enthusiast might like it, you cannot send everybody through an inversion going 95 miles an hour.

And your expertise as an engineer and designer leads you to believe that the actual designers and engineers that work on the ride can't figure out how to design a ride around what the human body can handle? You do realize that it's not about how many Gs are being pulled, but the duration and immediacy, correct?

Ugh. So, the consensus is that this will in all likelyhood be a B&M Giga. And that's all well and good. Or, you know, it could be a launched coaster. Or a Wing Coaster. Or one of another dozen or so types of coasters. I think it's way too early to say what it won't be.

And as for those saying that there were tons of comments about Carowinds never getting a 300' coaster, I looked back and saw more people saying that a 300' coaster would bring in tons of people, while others were saying that a 300' coaster was neither necessary, nor is simply building one going to bring in a ton more people. And now that we know what all Carowinds is planning, that's never been truer.

They're not building a 300 footer to bring in a bunch of people. They're spending a ton of money on infrastructure, revamping food, adding to the waterpark. Those are thing things they're banking on to get more people to come in. That 300' coaster? That's what they're building to keep them coming back. Just like Wonderland. Just like CP.

Its obvious that Cedar Fair sees more potential in Carowinds now than they ever did under Kinzel or even Paramount. Heck, CF is reestablishing a satellite office in Charlotte. We can definitely have a CP of the south. Phase one is getting them where they need to be. I'm excited for what comes after the first 3 years.

[RiDeWaRrIoR]

Thanks Edwardo!

[jsz1002]

This thread now makes me want to tear my eyes out. I wish that none of this information had been leaked, I swear I do. Because I can already tell some of you are going to be annoying for the next 3 years.

I've already said this, but I'll say it again:
Back in about July, on a Kings Island forum, when the speculation was still going, the possibility of a wing coaster was thrown out there many times, and in an interview with mr Ouimet, he clearly stated that they had no other wing coasters planned for any of the parks. This is the main reason why I believe it will not be a wing coaster, the other being the facts that we know and that they can't yet handle that type of force yet.

You can't base what Carowinds will or won't get on something Mr. Oimet said back in July. At that point, they were working on upcoming projects and additions. He's not going to say what they're considering. At that point, I'm sure they didn't have any plans set in stone for a 300' whatever this is.

As for forces, B&M can build a 300' whatever. A 300' drop on a wing coaster can be designed with whatever forces they wish. That statement makes no sense.

As far as name and logo, they may not even have come up with a name for it yet. We'll know sometime before the coaster is built, but not this early out. Right now it's looking like the coaster is coming in 2016. If it comes in 2015, we won't see any of that till this time next year.

You can have a tall drop but what comes after that drop has limits. As much as some enthusiast might like it, you cannot send everybody through an inversion going 95 miles an hour.

And your expertise as an engineer and designer leads you to believe that the actual designers and engineers that work on the ride can't figure out how to design a ride around what the human body can handle? You do realize that it's not about how many Gs are being pulled, but the duration and immediacy, correct?

Ugh. So, the consensus is that this will in all likelyhood be a B&M Giga. And that's all well and good. Or, you know, it could be a launched coaster. Or a Wing Coaster. Or one of another dozen or so types of coasters. I think it's way too early to say what it won't be.

And as for those saying that there were tons of comments about Carowinds never getting a 300' coaster, I looked back and saw more people saying that a 300' coaster would bring in tons of people, while others were saying that a 300' coaster was neither necessary, nor is simply building one going to bring in a ton more people. And now that we know what all Carowinds is planning, that's never been truer.

They're not building a 300 footer to bring in a bunch of people. They're spending a ton of money on infrastructure, revamping food, adding to the waterpark. Those are thing things they're banking on to get more people to come in. That 300' coaster? That's what they're building to keep them coming back. Just like Wonderland. Just like CP.

Its obvious that Cedar Fair sees more potential in Carowinds now than they ever did under Kinzel or even Paramount. Heck, CF is reestablishing a satellite office in Charlotte. We can definitely have a CP of the south. Phase one is getting them where they need to be. I'm excited for what comes after the first 3 years.

Maybe this information was leaked just to annoy you, since you seem so upset about it.
It doesn't really matter about what type or how much is being invested. The fact that Cedar Fair considers the park worthy of such a great investment is good enough for me. It made me change my plans about buying a season pass next year.

[Capler]

This thread now makes me want to tear my eyes out. I wish that none of this information had been leaked, I swear I do. Because I can already tell some of you are going to be annoying for the next 3 years.

I've already said this, but I'll say it again:
Back in about July, on a Kings Island forum, when the speculation was still going, the possibility of a wing coaster was thrown out there many times, and in an interview with mr Ouimet, he clearly stated that they had no other wing coasters planned for any of the parks. This is the main reason why I believe it will not be a wing coaster, the other being the facts that we know and that they can't yet handle that type of force yet.

You can't base what Carowinds will or won't get on something Mr. Oimet said back in July. At that point, they were working on upcoming projects and additions. He's not going to say what they're considering. At that point, I'm sure they didn't have any plans set in stone for a 300' whatever this is.

As for forces, B&M can build a 300' whatever. A 300' drop on a wing coaster can be designed with whatever forces they wish. That statement makes no sense.

As far as name and logo, they may not even have come up with a name for it yet. We'll know sometime before the coaster is built, but not this early out. Right now it's looking like the coaster is coming in 2016. If it comes in 2015, we won't see any of that till this time next year.

You can have a tall drop but what comes after that drop has limits. As much as some enthusiast might like it, you cannot send everybody through an inversion going 95 miles an hour.

And your expertise as an engineer and designer leads you to believe that the actual designers and engineers that work on the ride can't figure out how to design a ride around what the human body can handle? You do realize that it's not about how many Gs are being pulled, but the duration and immediacy, correct?

Ugh. So, the consensus is that this will in all likelyhood be a B&M Giga. And that's all well and good. Or, you know, it could be a launched coaster. Or a Wing Coaster. Or one of another dozen or so types of coasters. I think it's way too early to say what it won't be.

And as for those saying that there were tons of comments about Carowinds never getting a 300' coaster, I looked back and saw more people saying that a 300' coaster would bring in tons of people, while others were saying that a 300' coaster was neither necessary, nor is simply building one going to bring in a ton more people. And now that we know what all Carowinds is planning, that's never been truer.

They're not building a 300 footer to bring in a bunch of people. They're spending a ton of money on infrastructure, revamping food, adding to the waterpark. Those are thing things they're banking on to get more people to come in. That 300' coaster? That's what they're building to keep them coming back. Just like Wonderland. Just like CP.

Its obvious that Cedar Fair sees more potential in Carowinds now than they ever did under Kinzel or even Paramount. Heck, CF is reestablishing a satellite office in Charlotte. We can definitely have a CP of the south. Phase one is getting them where they need to be. I'm excited for what comes after the first 3 years.

Of course anything can be designed, or worked around, given enough time, research and most importantly money. Researchers do it all the time. If somebody really wanted to put the resources into making a 300 foot woodie work, it could be done. The question becomes, is it cost effective and who is willing to pay? It's like that tube thing in the news that would shoot people from LA to New York. Can it be done, likely, but at what cost? If a 165 foot wing cost $30 million, I would expect it would take a lot more to make a 300 ft version work. We are talking about a huge jump.

[Jonathan]

If you're not interested in reading speculation about the ride for the next year, then I would suggest not viewing this thread for the next year.

Obviously no one in this thread knows exactly what it is going to be, but there is certainly reasonable evidence to suggest certain things are more likely than others, so I don't really get this whole crapping all over everyone's theories.

[Edwardo]

I didn't say I has a problem with speculation about what the ride would be. I just don't get people saying it won't be this or it won't be that, and then backing that up with comments like such and such design will have too many forces. That's just annoying.

Otherwise, speculate away. I'm hoping its a three hundred foot something other than a B&M speed coaster but I'm fine if that's what it is too.

[Merthecat]

This thread now makes me want to tear my eyes out. I wish that none of this information had been leaked, I swear I do. Because I can already tell some of you are going to be annoying for the next 3 years.

I've already said this, but I'll say it again:
Back in about July, on a Kings Island forum, when the speculation was still going, the possibility of a wing coaster was thrown out there many times, and in an interview with mr Ouimet, he clearly stated that they had no other wing coasters planned for any of the parks. This is the main reason why I believe it will not be a wing coaster, the other being the facts that we know and that they can't yet handle that type of force yet.

You can't base what Carowinds will or won't get on something Mr. Oimet said back in July. At that point, they were working on upcoming projects and additions. He's not going to say what they're considering. At that point, I'm sure they didn't have any plans set in stone for a 300' whatever this is.

As for forces, B&M can build a 300' whatever. A 300' drop on a wing coaster can be designed with whatever forces they wish. That statement makes no sense.

As far as name and logo, they may not even have come up with a name for it yet. We'll know sometime before the coaster is built, but not this early out. Right now it's looking like the coaster is coming in 2016. If it comes in 2015, we won't see any of that till this time next year.

You can have a tall drop but what comes after that drop has limits. As much as some enthusiast might like it, you cannot send everybody through an inversion going 95 miles an hour.

And your expertise as an engineer and designer leads you to believe that the actual designers and engineers that work on the ride can't figure out how to design a ride around what the human body can handle? You do realize that it's not about how many Gs are being pulled, but the duration and immediacy, correct?

Ugh. So, the consensus is that this will in all likelyhood be a B&M Giga. And that's all well and good. Or, you know, it could be a launched coaster. Or a Wing Coaster. Or one of another dozen or so types of coasters. I think it's way too early to say what it won't be.

And as for those saying that there were tons of comments about Carowinds never getting a 300' coaster, I looked back and saw more people saying that a 300' coaster would bring in tons of people, while others were saying that a 300' coaster was neither necessary, nor is simply building one going to bring in a ton more people. And now that we know what all Carowinds is planning, that's never been truer.

They're not building a 300 footer to bring in a bunch of people. They're spending a ton of money on infrastructure, revamping food, adding to the waterpark. Those are thing things they're banking on to get more people to come in. That 300' coaster? That's what they're building to keep them coming back. Just like Wonderland. Just like CP.

Its obvious that Cedar Fair sees more potential in Carowinds now than they ever did under Kinzel or even Paramount. Heck, CF is reestablishing a satellite office in Charlotte. We can definitely have a CP of the south. Phase one is getting them where they need to be. I'm excited for what comes after the first 3 years.

About the Ouimet interview:
This was discussed on that forum. Why would he lie? People buy stock in CF.

[Edwardo]

Nobody said he was lying. I'm not planning on eating Chik Fil A right now, but that doesn't mean I won't at some point. He simply said there were no plans at that moment. He didn't indicate that they would never add a wing coaster ever or even in a year or 2.

And besides that, Steve Jobs constantly said they weren't working on a tablet, and yet, oh, hey! They released the iPad.

[Jonathan]

I think so far the best evidence against a wing coaster is what Capler mentioned. If Gatekeeper is 170 feet tall and cost $25 million, it seems a bit tough to believe that for $30 million they would build one nearly twice as tall. And I do have strong suspicions, based on anecdotal non-expert observations that a winged coaster that high might present some major engineering challenges. Gatekeeper is already very spread out with its elements because the trains seemingly can't be subjected to forces as high as other coaster types, and there is a noticeable shaking of the entire train at the bottom of the first drop. I'm sure these things can be overcome, but as it is now it seems to me that a 300 foot version would have to be extremely spread out, especially with the pull out from the first drop.

I feel like since you personally don't want a B&M giga you are trying to rationalize why it will not be, and you may very well be right, but it seems to me that right now the most likely thing based on all evidence on the table is a B&M giga.

[Edwardo]

Where did I ever say that I didn't want a B&M Giga? I'd prefer a Texas Giant clone, obviously, but I never said I didn't want nor wouldn't like a B&M Giga. I said in the post that it is most likely going to be that, and that's all well and good. There are plenty of reasons why it likely won't be a wing coaster (and I personally don't see a wing coaster coming to carowinds in large part because it's likely a standard speed coaster), but saying that they can't do something based on nonsense is what's annoying.

I would much prefer a Leviathan clone to a wing coaster, because I'm not all for them. The 2 I've ridden were okay, and I don't buy the newspaper article that seemed to describe that.

It's the same with all the people saying that if a Giga goes where they said it would, they'll have to tear down the palladium. Do you really think they've got to tear that down to put a big oversized coaster over there?

I'm totally fine with anything they're planning to build at 300'. Never said, nor implied that I didn't want a giga, though I'd much prefer a bunch of other things personally.

[Chris]

With all planned coasters included, where will this put Carowinds in the list of parks with the most roller coasters? We have to be in the top 3, I would imagine.

[Merthecat]

The giga should put us at 14. Not really very close.

[RiDeWaRrIoR]

Well CP has 16 and Magic Mountain has 17, not sure about all the rest, but if this puts us at 14, we are getting closer

[Chris]

With all planned coasters included, where will this put Carowinds in the list of parks with the most roller coasters? We have to be in the top 3, I would imagine.

The giga should put us at 14. Not really very close.

14 should put as at 3rd then. Sounds pretty close to 'top 3' to me. Do people think before they post?

[arby]

This would put us in a four way tie for fourth:

Six Flags Magic Mountain - 19
Cedar Point - 16
Canada's Wonderland - 16
Six Flags Great America - 14
Kings Island - 14
Kings Dominion - 14
Carowinds - 14
Six Flags Great Adventure - 13
Six Flags Over Texas - 12
Europa Park - 12

This list includes announced coasters for 2014 as listed in rcdb as well as the new one for Carowinds.