General Carowinds discussion
#35881
Let keep things into perspective here. Trim brakes on coasters are not inherently bad. There's alot of calculation and tolerances to be considered, not to mention many times designs are influenced by clients (i.e.: we want this height but keep it under this budget, etc.). Trim brake systems offer designers means of keeping rides consistantly within comfortable tolerances for your target rider. As coaster design grows more extreme, tolerances require certain means to calibrating the ride experience.

Sometimes a poor design will require a trim system to be calibrated a bit more aggressively than the designer intended. Often the speed trim is placed before a section - not just a single element - and the offending section of the ride is beyond the element that contains the trim.

But more often on modern rides the trims are tied into computer systems to maintain the rides spec's in various atmospheric conditions and train weights. Just to make a point, BGW's Apollo's Chariot has three trim sections (not including the mid-course blocking brake system): Just off the pre-drop, on the assent to the third (141') hill, and on the assent to the banked right-hander lift hill cross under. I've never heard anyone complain of the trim brakes on Apollo's Chariot and to this day the ride remains on many top-10 lists and is famous for that "ejector airtime".

Lastly, a roller coaster is like a work of art or a fine wine - you never really know what you've got until you're finished and get into testing and trials runs. Then the real nature of the course reveals itself. But Carowinds fans should rest assure that B&M is the best in the business from both an engineering and design POV. You'd be hard pressed to consistantly find fault with aspects of their designs - even the trim braking systems.
#35882
I have been on Apollo's Chariot countless times over the last 10 years and not once have I ever seen any trim brake on except the third hill. In fact, I didn't even know they existed until you posted that. I will have to look for them next time. The third hill is still awesome even with the trim.

I think everyone here is pretty aware that trims are not necessarily going to kill the ride, or reduce enjoyment in any way. But when trims are in place there is always the POSSIBILITY that they will. Looking at all the other B&M hypers we can be fairly confident that it won't, but anyone who speaks with 100% certainty for either side is overconfident.
#35885
^Kinda like the trims on Ricochet. There have been times when they barely grabbed and other times when they practically stopped the car. I've wondered if it had to do with the weight of the car. Maybe there is some sensor that detects the weight and causes the trims to grab if the train is too heavy. Just a guess. B&M's could be set up that way possibly.
#35886
I don't really think so to be honest. Everything I have seen and experienced leads me to believe that they need to be manually tightened by maintenance. I imagine with Apollo's Chariot those trims were installed just in case they needed them, and they decided they didn't. Intimidator could end up being the same way, but Behemoth would suggest that's unlikely.
#35889
I would assume they are computer controlled because they only hit on some trains, and also because Apollo's has some sort of "trim off" button that allows for trimless cycles in cold conditions or for the first run of the day that they have been known to hit by request during normal operation. (Think Gemini's trim light a few years back)

I could be wrong, but I think each trim is activated if the train is detected to be moving too quickly on it's way up the hill to the trim, except in rare cases where they are manually off for the conditions mentioned above.
#35891
They're indeed computer controlled. In my many rides on Behemoth, I can notice a lap having trims grab that wasn't there on the last lap.

I guess they just sense them and then set trims on for next lap. Also assuming they do have a "trim off" button too, since opening day 2009 I never felt any trim on Behemoth and it was ripping through the course at the fastest possible time.

I wouldn't worry. :)
#35896
At all of the B&M hyper media days and opening weekends the trims are off. I'd love to hear an explanation for that. Is it because the ride is still unpredictable and they don't want to do anything that could risk a rollback, or is it because they acknowledge that the best possible ride occurs with trims off, and want to make sure the media and other attendees get the best rides?
#35897
^ That phenomenon is part of what makes me doubt the reason for their existence. If they don't always use them, why even bother.

I personally like the "let er' rip" style of Intamin where the extra violent airtime would be viewed as a plus by the designers, but B&M hypers have amazing air too, it's just different.

Regardless, I will be there to enjoy rides on opening weekend. If they clamp it down a few weeks after opening we'll have confirmation on these theories I guess.
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